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Wednesday, December 31, 2008

Happy (?) New Year: Gaza

Posted by Tariq al Haydar

I know a lot of you probably don't know or don't care that hundreds of Palestinian civilians have been killed by Israel during the past week. I just wanted to share some images with you that you definitely will not see on CNN or Fox News or MSNBC. Enjoy:

53 comments:

Eboy said...

Uhm.....Happy New Year indeed. :(

TADOne said...

Genocide.

BET said...

i wouldnt say they are doing it for no reason (Hamas did fire a shitload of rockets into Israel BEFORE and AFTER) and i wouldnt say all killed were 'Civilians' (or were 'Civlians' who doubled as 'Hamas Millitants') BUT the extent Israel is taking this to is way to crazy.

IF Israel wanted to go in their and destroy Hamas (even though from what i read, they tried that before?) i would be okay with that. But they are just droppin bombs, and bombs are gonna kill innocent people in a dence area, Israel should know that.

Is this genocide? (like Tad says it is) I wouldnt go their YET but if this continues and Israel bombs hospitals and schools then i guess you could call it that, or a 'war crime' (something America is very good at commiting and never admitting, same with England, same with Israel)

Thats just my views i 'wasted' a hell of a lot of time reading about on a rainy day.

Justin Walsh said...

BET...sometimes you need tact. Are you saying that you can't be a civilian if you have a gun? Swear to god that's a bitch statement. I dont care if people there have automatic rifles, i still say their civilians if they aren't part of a faction, and even if they do I'd still count it as civilian casualty. Wanna know why? Let's imagine for a minute that some faction on extremist people (I wont bring religion into this, I respect the Muslim faith, and I hate when people say islamic extremists, true muslim people are peaceful, good people)...let's just imagine that some terrorist group invades America. And let's say they attack not just the suburban areas, but the projects, the slums, the ghetto, the wards, the grime. You know what? YOU KNOW DAMN WELL, ANY AMERICAN WITH A WEAPON WOULD BE FIRING BACK, THEYD BE RAISING HELL. I'd be doing the same thing. I'd get my ass a rifle and start picking off people trying to hurt my city. I wouldnt be doing it to protect america, because if you're invaded and in some sort of struggle, you dont kill people to save your political ideals. You kill them because you are PROTECTING YOUR FAMILY, PROTECTING YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, PROTECTING YOUR WAY OF LIFE. I hate when people just dismiss deaths as "insurgents", "extremists"....On a somewhat related note, Why do you think that CNN, FOX, ABC, MSNBC, and all the other major news networks fail to recognize the fact that over 90,000 confirmed civilians/innocent women & children have been killed by american warfare in the iraq war alone. and that's just confirmed. Please, what's going on in the middle east is atrocious. Every major country is committing war crimes on all sides...you know why? No war is undeniably justified. WWII, considered the most black and white war in terms of good and evil, is STILL hugely argued about in terms of should we have dropped the bomb, could it have been circumvented if we weren't so gung ho for armistice. I mean it's all subjective. I will say this, Tariq, thank you for reminding people of what the human condition is these days. Happy new years. May peace be upon you and your family.

TADOne said...

I know I couldn't have said it any better. Thanks Justin.

BET said...

Think about what you are saying Justin. 'They got automatic guns but arent part of the faction'? I dont see that happening, call me crazy, but in a area where hate for Israel (somewhat justifly) runs deep, you say that if somebody who made extra effort to get a gun to kill Israelis if they came on their turf is just a innocent civilian? To a American, maybe, to a Israeli solider (who might go thru their and try to tople Hamas) no.

And obviously you are from a place where guns have done no evil. I am from Southeast raliegh, i see what guns do. If its my drunk neighbor shooting a pistol in the air, some of my dumbass friends shooting the back of Larry's super market with a paintball gun (maybe i was their, but thats not the point), or people getting needlessly murdered.

If some 'religous faction invades america' like you say, i would do whatever the hell the army orders the civilian population to do, and let them do the fighting. Or maybe if i actually thought about it, i would get in the car with my family and dash.

But the cirmumstances for that occuring are 0 to none for me.

You talk as though life is a video game. 'Get my rifle and start picking dudes off'? Thats a NRA statement. You act as though this is a Chuck Noris Delta Force movie where the other side is too stupid to shoot back. You did that, they would kill your ass, just like Israel is killing these people. Are you a Civilian? Yes. But are you part of a resistance movement at the same time? Yes. And if you are trying to kill them, will they kill you? Yes.

So Justin, stop talking in Call of Duty 4 type scenarios. You are not over their. I am not over their. We get the American press, some what biased for Israel. Tariq gets the Saudi press, which will be somewhat biased towards Gaza. Somewhere inbetween is the truth. I would like to find the truth before this gets labled 'Humanitarin Crisis 09' or some shit like you are ready to do.

And lets address some key points:

1). This is not unprovoked. Hamas, a Gaza based terroist group that doubles as the government of choice for Gaza, Shot hundreds of Rockets into Israel to destroy peace talks. Israel said they would destroy them if they didnt stop. They were acting like dumbasses and didnt stop. So these 'Hamas Heroes' destroyed a group of progressive peace talk AND were targeting civilians at the same time with their rocket attacks.

Where is your moral outrage on that Justin?

2. Every major super power kills civilians to accomplish a greater goal. Lets recall Afghanistan. America/Nato/whatever else was their bombed the shit out of Afghanistan in a campaign that everybody agreed with. I was in elementary school when this was happening, but everybody had a parent (or me, who had 1 parent + 2 grand parents) to tell them 'we are bombing them terroists' when in fact we were doing a combo of that and killing innocent people. And yet, we expeled the Taliban by doing that, which everyone can agree was a good thing.

So can you really be 'outraged' at bombing when without bombing we would have lost a hell of a lot more people in Afghanistan.

3. I am not saying bombing is good, i am not saying Israel is in line ( i said they clearly knew they would kill civilians), what i am saying is that this is somewhat justified and it could be done better in a different way.



I hope you know you just got taken to school by someone who aspires to be a senator one day, yet is 16 at the time. This is what happens when BET is serious

TADOne said...

***grabs popcorn***

Eboy said...

Hmmm............

TADOne said...

E, I think we need BET and Justin to make a guest appearance.

Eboy said...

Yeah......for sure.

Hursty said...

I'd enjoy that Tad... good comments by everyone actually. I'd like to see what Tariq says too.

BET said...

let me just quote a news story to put things in prespective:

"Israel has rejected international pressure for an immediate, even if temporary, cease-fire five days into its offensive against Hamas militants and infrastructure in the Gaza Strip. Despite massive damage and a toll of nearly 400 Palestinians killed, Hamas also remains defiant, continuing to fire rockets ever deeper into Israel"

Dumb and Dumberer.

First Israel- You piss the world off, you might have a point but their is a better way to get rid of Hamas then getting rid of the entire Gaza strip. Its called ground forces.


Hamas- WHY DID YOU START FIRING ROCKETS THEN TRY AND PLAY VICTIM? Just attention-whoring to destroy peace talks, then crying later. Now you want Israel to stop, so you can regroup, more tears shed after you get denied? Just stupid.

BET said...

and for the record Tariq, the news have been showing all sorts of stuff from gaza.

Justin Walsh said...

BET, don't get all "im from the streets" about where you are from saying that guns have no evil. I've been pistol whipped, I've been jumped, I grew up hanging out in South Oak Cliff, one of the most dangerous areas in america. I am not being nonchalant COD4 about guns. I'm saying IF WE WERE INVADED, that's how people would react to save their way of life. I'm not even saying Hamas or Israel are doing the right thing, neither is innocent, but don't use the whole, you dont live there i dont live there, then spend the next few paragraphs giving me reasons that are pure opinion on why you think you are right. You are completely out of the loop if you hold these "i believe exactly what the news tells me" kind of shit. I will now respond to your reasoning paragraph by paragraph.

" Think about what you are saying Justin. 'They got automatic guns but arent part of the faction'? I dont see that happening, call me crazy, but in a area where hate for Israel (somewhat justifly) runs deep, you say that if somebody who made extra effort to get a gun to kill Israelis if they came on their turf is just a innocent civilian? To a American, maybe, to a Israeli solider (who might go thru their and try to tople Hamas) no. "

Are you completely inept at explaining your view? You said in the same comment that we dont live there so we cant speak for what happens, but you tell me it's a bad thought to say that people with automatic weapons have to be hamas. And I didn't just say that they get weapons to kill israelites, we are talking about people on BOTH sides killing eachother. Your viewpoint is slanted, brought into fruition from ignorance. I bring up another viewpoint of why Americans get it wrong. American government said that Palestinians need an open election, to make it a democratic regime. A multitude of governments across the world, both democratic and communist stated it was a bad idea. Palestinians go through with the elections, and Hamas wins by a landslide. America then refuses to recognize it. America is so ridiculous in this regard- they demand a democratic election then completely ignore the result if it's not pro american. I bring this up because many americans seem to not realize that even though Hamas does unspeakable things, so does Israel, America, England, and MANY other areas.

"
And obviously you are from a place where guns have done no evil. I am from Southeast raliegh, i see what guns do. If its my drunk neighbor shooting a pistol in the air, some of my dumbass friends shooting the back of Larry's super market with a paintball gun (maybe i was their, but thats not the point), or people getting needlessly murdered."

Again, how dare you think I find no evil in guns. I wasn't making that statement as in what happens to americans to other americans, it was a HYPOTHETICAL, brought up as a parallel to what is going on in Gaza. I don't think I have to restate that Dallas is one of the most dangerous cities in America, 2nd on the list. South Oak Cliff is known throughout the US as the Texas version of Compton/Inglewood, and it's just as bad as advertised. I don't find guns to be good, I was making a statement as a hypothetical to if America was directly invaded by a group.

"
If some 'religous faction invades america' like you say, i would do whatever the hell the army orders the civilian population to do, and let them do the fighting. Or maybe if i actually thought about it, i would get in the car with my family and dash."

Look, it's your ability to listen to the government, but if they invade your neighborhood like hamas and israel do to eachother, you wont have time to just wait for the army, sometimes you have to act. If you get in a car with your family, more power to you, but some people dont have the time to react that way. People in New Orleans couldnt get everybody in cars to evacuate a hurricane that people had at least a couple days notice about, and it was a tragedy. Do you think that if a group invades your neighborhood totally randomly, you wont even have that much time to react.

"

You talk as though life is a video game. 'Get my rifle and start picking dudes off'? Thats a NRA statement. You act as though this is a Chuck Noris Delta Force movie where the other side is too stupid to shoot back. You did that, they would kill your ass, just like Israel is killing these people. Are you a Civilian? Yes. But are you part of a resistance movement at the same time? Yes. And if you are trying to kill them, will they kill you? Yes.

So Justin, stop talking in Call of Duty 4 type scenarios. You are not over their. I am not over their. We get the American press, some what biased for Israel. Tariq gets the Saudi press, which will be somewhat biased towards Gaza. Somewhere inbetween is the truth. I would like to find the truth before this gets labled 'Humanitarin Crisis 09' or some shit like you are ready to do."

I don't have to respond to most of these comments because they are just rehashes of what you said in the paragraph previously. I'll merely add that some things are worth dying for, and if I die protecting my family because I shoot at people that are shooting at me, I feel totally justified. And if we talk about the press, who gets what paper, do you have any knowledge of how slanted ALL press is? American press is horrible in covering anything in the middle east. you need to see the documentary called WMD: weapons of mass distraction. There are a few media outlets that are trustworthy, but some news you need to get from INDEPENDENT journalists, NOT being shielded by the military. Journalism embeds in the middle east (writers who are protected by the american military, basically making it impossible for media to be unbiased) are what is killing true journalism.

"
1). This is not unprovoked. Hamas, a Gaza based terroist group that doubles as the government of choice for Gaza, Shot hundreds of Rockets into Israel to destroy peace talks. Israel said they would destroy them if they didnt stop. They were acting like dumbasses and didnt stop. So these 'Hamas Heroes' destroyed a group of progressive peace talk AND were targeting civilians at the same time with their rocket attacks. "

First of all, you sling the word terrorist around way too easily. Don't call it the SO CALLED government of choice, it's the GOVERNMENT of choice, PERIOD. The way you word it is the same american sarcasm that kills us in foreign diplomacy. OF COURSE HAMAS WAS IN THE WRONG. I DIDNT SAY THEY WERENT. but this situation is not how you seem to view it. Israel can do the same thing, kill hundreds of civilians, and american media will say "the missiles sadly missed their target". Hamas does it, we say they attacked innocent people. War has no innocence. War itself is the rape and molestation of innocence and decency. I have a moral outrage to this much death, but my moral outrage is more even keeled to the situation, BOTH sides are in the wrong. if only one side was wrong, the entire world would band together and wipe the other one out.

"
2. Every major super power kills civilians to accomplish a greater goal. Lets recall Afghanistan. America/Nato/whatever else was their bombed the shit out of Afghanistan in a campaign that everybody agreed with. I was in elementary school when this was happening, but everybody had a parent (or me, who had 1 parent + 2 grand parents) to tell them 'we are bombing them terroists' when in fact we were doing a combo of that and killing innocent people. And yet, we expeled the Taliban by doing that, which everyone can agree was a good thing."

Again, your viewpoint is incorrect. First of all, NATO does NOT have an army, and does NOT bomb anybody. America did the bombing, they told us it was justified, and we were okay with it. It got rid of the taliban, but then we half assed it, went into Iraq, and because of that, Afghanistan is the worst area in the "war on terror". We don't have nearly enough troops there to do any good, we throw a small percentage of our soldiers in there and expect them not to get killed. Also, we can't really go off of much with having your parents tell you what's going on when the government lied to everybody's parents about WMD's, faulty intel, and where exactly Osama was. It's thought that Bin Laden has been in Pakistan for years, yet we stay in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not saying I know that for a fact but you bringing up Afghanistan as justification for killing civilians holds very little weight. Yes, every world power does it, but you saying it as a justification makes me think you have little decency. you tell me to have moral outrage about certain tragedies, then justify america doing it by saying "oh well they all do it".




"I hope you know you just got taken to school by someone who aspires to be a senator one day, yet is 16 at the time. This is what happens when BET is serious"

I wasn't taken to school, I just had a 16 year old pull a water pistol on me, I responded by snatching the super soaker out of his hand, pistol whipping him with the plastic handle, and telling him he's been listening to George W Bush a bit much. I said good day sir. Don't fuck with somebody you have no reading on. You may want to be a senator, but I want to be me. I'm 19, an intern for slam, I live the motherfuckin' dream. You blog in an unprofessional way about basketball in hopes to entertain. I entertain by truly following the sport as a career choice. You talk about John Wall being the truth and saying I'd get stabbed for saying that in your neighborhood. Yeah, no I doubt that. I have seen John Wall play more times than you probably have in person, and I live on the opposite end of the country. Don't get it twisted BET, you starting this fight is like Gucci Mane starting a beef with Kweli-
You may be loud and say things that idiots understand, but my words reflect humanity and make you question definition, breathing in my observations. I am the truth, and you're just a retraction in the paper.

TADOne said...

Damn.

Eboy said...

While that response was pretty potent, Justin, I kind of take offense to the "You may be loud and say things that idiots understand", cause at times, I'm one of those idiots and I give BET props when he's right or when he's truly off.

You both have strong opinions on the subject and neither should be viewed as "wrong" because for the sake of argument, two dudes under the age of twenty that have that much insight, correct or incorrect, should be commended, not pointed against one another.

And while I'd be willing to say anyone that reads this blog, SLAM, Hibachi would be happy for you for having the opportunity you referenced with SLAM. But it kind of comes off piggish in the manner you threw it out there with, and while I excuse you for it 'cause I know it was in the heat of "battle", not everyone is trying to work for the SLAM fam, but we all have love regardless.

Know what I'm saying?

Justin Walsh said...

TAD, does that one word reaction to my response to BET mean I won? hahah

BET said...

i will now answer each paragraph in a individual comment.


"BET, don't get all "im from the streets" about where you are from saying that guns have no evil. I've been pistol whipped, I've been jumped, I grew up hanging out in South Oak Cliff, one of the most dangerous areas in america. I am not being nonchalant COD4 about guns. I'm saying IF WE WERE INVADED, that's how people would react to save their way of life. I'm not even saying Hamas or Israel are doing the right thing, neither is innocent, but don't use the whole, you dont live there i dont live there, then spend the next few paragraphs giving me reasons that are pure opinion on why you think you are right. You are completely out of the loop if you hold these "i believe exactly what the news tells me" kind of shit. I will now respond to your reasoning paragraph by paragraph."


THIS IS NOT RED DAWN. We wont be invaded, but say we are, you might have your Patrick Swayze moment and grab your gun, you will just go bye bye when a trained solider will get your shakey dog ass (this is all hypothetical)

Justin Walsh said...

Eboy, I only said it because I just found out today that it was going to be official. So I apologize for the piggish nature of the slight jab. The whole gucci mane comment was pure flash, no substance, I know BET makes some very intelligent comments, in fact I endorse some of them. But this was keyboard battle in the comments. Am I supposed to feel any less offended if I get threatened by him? so I am supposed to be all nice and dandy to a guy who clearly has no intentions of the doing the same to me? I get your reasoning, even conceding a few points, but I feel justified nonetheless.

Eboy said...

I do have to say though, this is some way to end the year!

Justin Walsh said...

BET, I NEVER SAID IT WAS RED DAWN. I SAID IT WAS COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL. Holy crap, do I have to make myself any clearer?

Justin Walsh said...

Eboy, I do love the way this debate is going, one hell of an argument. I love these debates!

Eboy said...

Justin, I'm not looking for an apology or anything like that, I just respect the fact that:

a) you were able to get a spot with the SLAM fam and

b) two young cats are versed in the goings on of a situation most grown adults have no clue about, regardless of point/counterpoint fact checking.

BET said...

"Are you completely inept at explaining your view? You said in the same comment that we dont live there so we cant speak for what happens, but you tell me it's a bad thought to say that people with automatic weapons have to be hamas. And I didn't just say that they get weapons to kill israelites, we are talking about people on BOTH sides killing eachother. Your viewpoint is slanted, brought into fruition from ignorance. I bring up another viewpoint of why Americans get it wrong. American government said that Palestinians need an open election, to make it a democratic regime. A multitude of governments across the world, both democratic and communist stated it was a bad idea. Palestinians go through with the elections, and Hamas wins by a landslide. America then refuses to recognize it. America is so ridiculous in this regard- they demand a democratic election then completely ignore the result if it's not pro american. I bring this up because many americans seem to not realize that even though Hamas does unspeakable things, so does Israel, America, England, and MANY other areas."

You compare a group (Hamas) that was a terroist group BEFORE it achived power to organized countries. Very good. And what are they going to use their guns for Justin? Shootin some prize bucks on the Gaza strip? HAHAHA Me and you both know that they are going to try and kill Israeli soliders with those guns if Israel came thru to get the Hamas terroists that bomb them.

And Yes Hamas is a terroist organization.

Eboy said...

Carry on.

Justin Walsh said...

Eboy, so sweet. By the way, what are you doing for new years?

BET said...

"Blogger Justin Walsh said...

BET, I NEVER SAID IT WAS RED DAWN. I SAID IT WAS COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL. Holy crap, do I have to make myself any clearer?"

Red Dawn was a movie about a hypothetical Soviet Invasion of America. Do i need to make myself clearer that your view on 'people will start getting guns if we get invaded' can be countered with 'not unless they want to die, most SMART people will get the hell out of the Army's way'

Justin Walsh said...

I'm not saying Hamas aren't terrorists, but when you say so called government...It's not so called, it's a definite they won the election government. I'm merely pointing on the fact that your view on it is ridiculous.

Justin Walsh said...

BET I know what Red Dawn is. But you also didn't respond to the part i said of THE ARMY DOES NOT RESPOND AS FAST AS YOU THINK, and since my hypothetical was that the group would be invading a ghetto or rough neighborhood, we have MORE THAN ENOUGH historical proof that the government doesnt give a shit about poor people. (hurricane katrina). So if they invaded some ghetto, the army wouldn't react within a day, it'd probably take a whole 5 days to get there, hell it took that long for the US government to get water to the damn superdome.

BET said...

"Again, your viewpoint is incorrect. First of all, NATO does NOT have an army, and does NOT bomb anybody. America did the bombing, they told us it was justified, and we were okay with it. It got rid of the taliban, but then we half assed it, went into Iraq, and because of that, Afghanistan is the worst area in the "war on terror". We don't have nearly enough troops there to do any good, we throw a small percentage of our soldiers in there and expect them not to get killed. Also, we can't really go off of much with having your parents tell you what's going on when the government lied to everybody's parents about WMD's, faulty intel, and where exactly Osama was. It's thought that Bin Laden has been in Pakistan for years, yet we stay in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not saying I know that for a fact but you bringing up Afghanistan as justification for killing civilians holds very little weight. Yes, every world power does it, but you saying it as a justification makes me think you have little decency. you tell me to have moral outrage about certain tragedies, then justify america doing it by saying "oh well they all do it"."


You got the point. Our 'Nato Allies' (ie England and other Euro Countries) ALL WENT IN. All of them used their Air Force

And what the fuck are you brining Iraq into this for? My family was opposed to the Iraq war from the start. so i am not sure what you are trying to achive with that.

TADOne said...

I may have to log on tomorrow while nursing my hangover and watching bowl games just to see what Tariq thinks of all this.

Justin Walsh said...

My family was opposed to it as well. I'm only bringing the Iraq war because when you bring in the Afghanistan war, it's kind of hard not to transition into the Iraq war considering how America basically just abandoned the area from a standpoint of troop numbers in the country.

BET said...

"BET I know what Red Dawn is. But you also didn't respond to the part i said of THE ARMY DOES NOT RESPOND AS FAST AS YOU THINK, and since my hypothetical was that the group would be invading a ghetto or rough neighborhood, we have MORE THAN ENOUGH historical proof that the government doesnt give a shit about poor people. (hurricane katrina). So if they invaded some ghetto, the army wouldn't react within a day, it'd probably take a whole 5 days to get there, hell it took that long for the US government to get water to the damn superdome."


You act as though something will be preventing them from reacting. Dont compare a national disaster to a attack on us.

If you want to equate us responding to a attack look at Pearl Harbor, The attack on the Maine, or even 9/11. Each time the president sends troops to neutralize the threat. America has not been attacked by ground troops on its soil since the war of 1812, but i think if their were another country or even a millitant group around, the National Guard would be dispatched, followed by the army.

But it will never happen.
If anyone tried to invade, they would have to prepare the invansion and get the people here in the first place, which is impossible to do undetectably.

BET said...

"My family was opposed to it as well. I'm only bringing the Iraq war because when you bring in the Afghanistan war, it's kind of hard not to transition into the Iraq war considering how America basically just abandoned the area from a standpoint of troop numbers in the country."

I brought up Afghanistan as a bombing campaign, you brought Iraq up as a war in general.

Justin Walsh said...

impossible to do undetected? Really? because the 9/11 hostages did just that. In fact, some of them lived on MILITARY BASES. You are telling me that they can't slowly funnel people in without the government knowing? America does that all the time in other countries, and we call them "recon" missions years later when it's declassified. In other words, they send over a unit without that country's knowledge and start killing people.

Justin Walsh said...

BET, the bombing campaign was, in essence, the MAIN strategy FOR THE AFGHANISTAN WAR. It's like you bringing up the nuclear bombs dropped in Nagasaki and Hiroshima and expecting me not to bring up the fact that it was the MAIN thing that ENDED WWII

BET said...

"wasn't taken to school, I just had a 16 year old pull a water pistol on me, I responded by snatching the super soaker out of his hand, pistol whipping him with the plastic handle, and telling him he's been listening to George W Bush a bit much. I said good day sir. Don't fuck with somebody you have no reading on. You may want to be a senator, but I want to be me. I'm 19, an intern for slam, I live the motherfuckin' dream. You blog in an unprofessional way about basketball in hopes to entertain. I entertain by truly following the sport as a career choice. You talk about John Wall being the truth and saying I'd get stabbed for saying that in your neighborhood. Yeah, no I doubt that. I have seen John Wall play more times than you probably have in person, and I live on the opposite end of the country. Don't get it twisted BET, you starting this fight is like Gucci Mane starting a beef with Kweli-
You may be loud and say things that idiots understand, but my words reflect humanity and make you question definition, breathing in my observations. I am the truth, and you're just a retraction in the paper."


I find it cute u take my words seriously, but BETCATS is MY USER NAME. I sometimes talk about my personal life, BUT IF YOU REALLY THINK I WAS LITTERALLY SAYING SOMEBODY WOULD STAB YOU FOR DISRESPECTING John your crazy.

And bringing up rap beefs? Those are for...RAPPERS. Last time i checked, MC Walshy isnt to hot right now, and isnt part of Talib's clic. I am not associated with Gucci, i like his music in fact I REALLY LIKE HIS MUSIC, but his beefs are just that, HIS BEEFS.

And its quite 2 faced of you to say my work is for idiots acounting for you seem to enjoy it.

Take a deep breath, calm down, stop crying, CAUSE ITS THE INTERNET.

Enjoy contrasting your 'dream life' to mine. Oh wait you dont know mine, even if you think you do, you dont.

My writting is for enjoyment of the reader, but its for my enjoyment over anything. I love my work and attacking me on my work is not at all related to this debate. I dont see why, i might have said 'i took you to school' but i didnt say 'i fucked your mom and liked it' or something.

If you really feel the need to attack me as a person, because you cant attack my ideas, then you are in bad shape


You picked your side in this argument and i picked mine. Contrasting at most points, but we both agreed that Israel is not handling it the way it should, and you decided that i am your inferior.

As for me seeing John Wall play, yeah i watched him play 2x. But I AM IN HIGH SCHOOL. Why would i watch somebody my age ball? I ball in the parks, i dont play organized ball, if i want organizied ball i will watch some NBA/NCAA shit.

So enjoy living the dream, you use lots of words to express displeasure, i can use them too, and i will. But its safe to say neither side will benifit or change the other's mind from this.

Eboy said...

(Returns from lunch, unrolls Chipotle burrito wrapper, ready for more)

BET said...

"Blogger Justin Walsh said...

impossible to do undetected? Really? because the 9/11 hostages did just that. In fact, some of them lived on MILITARY BASES. You are telling me that they can't slowly funnel people in without the government knowing? America does that all the time in other countries, and we call them "recon" missions years later when it's declassified. In other words, they send over a unit without that country's knowledge and start killing people."

A invasion and hijacking planes are 2 different things. You need 3-4 dudes to hijack a plane, you need 300,000-400,000 to invade. America is pretty safe from getting invaded .

BET said...

lunch time for me.

Justin Walsh said...

BET, don't get all holier than thou and act like you never attack people personally and get all appalled when I do the same to you. I didn't just insult you, I insulted your view points on this subject. I'm not even trying to change your mind, everybody knows that's pointless. You have strong opinions, and that's the best thing about you. I am debating in such a heated way because I think when people talk about this situation and aren't getting some kind of anger, displeasure or human emotion, they have no heart, no soul. You give your opinions with heart, and fire. Remember that this is a debate. I will say a multitude of things, many of them are disrespectful to make my point. I respect you BET, and I am glad we don't agree. I hate when people back down. All that must be said about this is that even though we completely disagree, I respect you a thousand times more than americans that sigh, say it's a sad thing and go about their lives. these situations need to be argued about FERVENTLY, they need to be acted upon and discussed, both appropriately and inappropriately. Thank you for the debate. I know can chill and enjoy my new years eve. Enjoy yours as well BET. You have a lot of potential and talent. Savvy?

Justin Walsh said...

I now can chill and enjoy my new years eve. ** And I hope you do the same.

TADOne said...

***sheds tear***

Justin Walsh said...

TAD, why the tear? haha

Moose said...

New ish on Hibachi.

Eboy said...

What a letdown ending......

TADOne said...

One, because the debate ended. Two, because ya'll kissed and made up. Three, because it's New Years!

TADOne said...

Anyway, i'm off. Everyone have a great time tonight, whatever you are doing. Be safe and enjoy yourselves.

Happy New Years! See you in '09!

Justin Walsh said...

Eboy, haha letdown ending? Was I supposed to turn into a Super Saiyan and blast Freeza off the face of Namek or something? haha, I mean I am working on my kamehameha, but its a difficult move that requires a lot of power. :) By the way folks, the piece moose just rocked on the 'Bachi is really good ish. It's lengthy like MGS4 cutscenes, but it's so worth it.

BET said...

i got a party to get ready for, and since every1 else left, i guess im done too.

AR said...

Well this was ridiculous.Not in a good way.

Hursty said...

I would like everyone to respond to the latest piece on hibachi. A sharp contrast to the piece Tariq has put up, but vital none-the-less.

Hursty said...

I need to clarify- its less serious than this by a 1000%, but meh. Just check it out.