tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post1326643606862445526..comments2023-10-01T09:31:17.696-04:00Comments on Shawn Kemp's Offspring: I AM MOVEDARhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02494635972366860614noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-53608216160468732602008-11-08T16:03:00.000-05:002008-11-08T16:03:00.000-05:00Very nicely put Cheryl. I'm ashamed that I don't k...Very nicely put Cheryl. I'm ashamed that I don't know enough about the subject to add anything of substance. As a citizen of the world, I would like to see conflict end across the globe and for third world countries to be able to do things we take for granted here in the states. <BR/><BR/>Guess it's time to read, like BET said.TADOnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13841684893864630193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-10185288986187291302008-11-08T10:05:00.000-05:002008-11-08T10:05:00.000-05:00This is awesome we're having this kind of debate h...This is awesome we're having this kind of debate here. This is exactly what I'm talking about in the tremendous opportunity this medium gives us to debate issues of global significance, among people from different parts of the world. And BET, you actually should be concerned about what happens in the Middle East, because IT DOES impact you. Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere and all that good stuff. Plus, 9/11 happened because we weren't paying attention. If that event didn't make you concerned about what is happening "over there", I don't know what will.<BR/><BR/>And the Israel/Palestine issue is in a whole host of ways analogous to BOTH apartheid South Africa and the conflicts between Native Americans and the settlers here. Keep reading, it's THE most powerful thing you can do for yourself.ASPOVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13119396166595144759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-80315334447494762412008-11-08T10:01:00.000-05:002008-11-08T10:01:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.ASPOVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13119396166595144759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-39092616682568272852008-11-08T08:24:00.000-05:002008-11-08T08:24:00.000-05:00http://www.freewebs.com/betcats/talkbasketballwthb...http://www.freewebs.com/betcats/talkbasketballwthbet.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-23651968652037150492008-11-08T08:23:00.000-05:002008-11-08T08:23:00.000-05:00whats good shawn kemps offspring? I am here not fo...whats good shawn kemps offspring? I am here not for serious discussion this time but for promotinal reasons. JOIN MY FORUMS <BR/>http://www.freewebs.com/betcats/talkbasketballwthbet.htm <BR/><BR/>Its free and fun. You dont even got to join nothing, you just type in comments. Its so easy, a BETCATS could do it. JOIN IT NOW.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-71795668782369182862008-11-08T07:02:00.000-05:002008-11-08T07:02:00.000-05:00I'll be waiting betcats! I'm sure in 10 years you'...I'll be waiting betcats! I'm sure in 10 years you'll be a congressman or something. Queen Mab!Tariq al Haydarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885586213698005388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-64448721408014064692008-11-07T23:24:00.000-05:002008-11-07T23:24:00.000-05:00Nah E. Think he might've meant something else. Han...Nah E. Think he might've meant something else. Handsome? Get outta here man..! ;) <BR/>Jokes, its all good.Hurstyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13798285581980033351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-51426253996730942082008-11-07T19:28:00.000-05:002008-11-07T19:28:00.000-05:00"eboy's people" what does that mean......smart an..."eboy's people" what does that mean......smart and handsome?Eboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15328696199422961571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-5489193030833039662008-11-07T17:07:00.000-05:002008-11-07T17:07:00.000-05:00those are 2 different issues tariq. Calling Nelson...those are 2 different issues tariq. Calling Nelson Mandela a terroist is like calling Osama Bin Laden a hero. <BR/>As for the Jews agianst Israel, what you said is part of the reason, but what i said is the other part. I went to their website and they state clearly they want god to give Israel to them. And if you would like to know where to find them, the answer is Israel!<BR/>My problem with your whole view is that you seem to be anti-israel and claim that they are trying to conquer the whole middle east and destroy your arab world. Also, saying that Jerasalem should be divided or let out of the control of Israel could go one of two ways:<BR/>A. Jerusalem becomes a seperate country with a goverment representive of the people living in it<BR/>B. Crazy jews get mad at the fact that they are loosing control of their nation's capital (because Israel was founded as the jewish nation) and blowing everything up. <BR/><BR/>A would work, and i would be all for it, but B would be what ended up happening, so so much for that. <BR/><BR/>As for me "Not knowing anything" yes, i do know something, i do my research by typing in keywords on google then waste a lot of time reading up of these topics and more to try and find a point i agree with. And your whole "Israel does not want peace" argument is absurd in the sence that <BR/>A.) Yitzhak Rabin, a past leader of Israel apperantly pushed for peace and worked with people who openly called for the death of Israel until he was assinated by a jew-nationalist<BR/>B.) any time israel is in a state of peace, and not attacking anyone they get attacked (see The Six Day War)<BR/>And your whole Palestinians are 2nd class citizens argument is true, but we had segregation here (something that would have directly effected me) and now we got a black president. Progress can be made Tariq. <BR/>I can agree that i might not know as much as you though tariq, you are a grown ass man living over their, i am a young kid in what eboy's people call 'da hood' over here. I dont care what you guys do in the middle east, it wont affect me. But i do plan on taking my point and fine tunning it until i can debate with you and understand you on a higher level. Holla at me in 10 years. <BR/>-BetcatsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-3489561620754258772008-11-07T12:30:00.000-05:002008-11-07T12:30:00.000-05:00Alan: I'm not too crazy about nationalism either.Alan: I'm not too crazy about nationalism either.Tariq al Haydarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885586213698005388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-72929053247144208772008-11-07T12:23:00.000-05:002008-11-07T12:23:00.000-05:00Tariq:Point taken,it may not be solely based on re...Tariq:Point taken,it may not be solely based on religion(though I refuse to believe it doesn't have a big part to play),but it massively involves another thing I despise-nationalism.Both Zionism and Arab nationalism are pretty dangerous,especially when you consider the latter's views on the former and the ridiculousness of how the former became successful.<BR/><BR/>As I've said,neither side come out better than the other,both have legitimate issues and concerns.Hopefully a two state solution will be brokered,which in fairness,even the majority of Israelis agree with.But compremise will be needed.Which doesn't make me at all confident.<BR/><BR/>Also Hamas is just as much of a terrorist group as the IRA and ETA are and were.It's hard to differentiate.ARhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02494635972366860614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-13605614934697444772008-11-07T12:16:00.000-05:002008-11-07T12:16:00.000-05:00Thanks, TAD, but it really isn't deep at all. I'm ...Thanks, TAD, but it really isn't deep at all. I'm actually glossing over a bunch of points. Plus, I don't know as much about the situation as I should. It just depresses me to read about it. And it kinda bothers me a little when people who really know NOTHING about the situation start giving reductive arguments.Tariq al Haydarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885586213698005388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-11646604192132004332008-11-07T12:03:00.000-05:002008-11-07T12:03:00.000-05:00That was deep, Tariq.That was deep, Tariq.TADOnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13841684893864630193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-46236245299263722742008-11-07T11:48:00.000-05:002008-11-07T11:48:00.000-05:00betcats:No, orthodox Jews don't support Israel bec...betcats:<BR/>No, orthodox Jews don't support Israel because the Torah states that they should live among other peoples, not forcefully take land and transform it into a Jewish state.<BR/><BR/>And perhaps I do need to broaden my perspective, but your position is pretty flimsy. You're basically saying that since both sides commit violence, both sides are equally to blame.<BR/><BR/>First off, you need to recognize that the relationship between Israel and the Palestinians is one of the powerful (Israel) to the weak (Palestinians). Secondly, the violence carried out by Palestinians is carried out by groups which the US categorizes as terrorist, such as Hamas, Fatah and Islamic Jihad. Conversely, the violence on the Israeli side is carried out by the Israeli government, with the backing of the US government. Why is Hamas a terrorist organization, while the Israeli government is a beacon of democracy?<BR/><BR/>And you have to really go back and look at history. pre-1948, the population of Palestine was roughly 90% Palestinians and 10% Jewish. Since the 1948 invasion, Palestinians have been routinely run out of their land, while Jewish settlements are built in their place. Do you know what this means? It's not that there are two people living in the same land and having trouble with each other, it's more like Palestinians are kicked out, and Jews are BROUGHT IN FROM OTHER COUNTRIES TO TAKE THEIR PLACE. Do you understand what I'm saying?<BR/><BR/>Also, Palestinians are governed by the Israeli government, and they are treated as second-class citizens in their own country. They barely have any rights, which is why a lot of them are forced to migrate to neighboring Arab countries.<BR/><BR/>I really doubt that you've considered the situation with any detail or subtlety, betcats. It seems to me that your line of thinking is this: <BR/><BR/>"People somewhere far away are fighting. They're all equally crazy."<BR/><BR/>Let me ask you this: If I'm so biased, why does Cheryl call the way Israel treats Palestinians "apartheid"? Think about that? It's simple: It's because she knows what's going on. Do you? Or are you just adopting the generic position that everyone is at fault equally?<BR/><BR/>If I were to apply your line of thinking to South Africa, I would arrive at the conclusion that Blacks and Whites in South Africa were equally to blame and that Nelson Mandela was a terrorist. That's a very foolish position to adopt, isn't it?Tariq al Haydarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885586213698005388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-10102843974422879132008-11-07T11:06:00.000-05:002008-11-07T11:06:00.000-05:00and Tariq, so the Israeli side is simple, but your...and Tariq, so the Israeli side is simple, but your side cannot be easily explained? That is just proff you need a broader prespectiveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-88992491054100365772008-11-07T11:05:00.000-05:002008-11-07T11:05:00.000-05:00Tariq, you realize they dont support it because th...Tariq, you realize they dont support it because they belive 'god should give it to them' via a holly war or something along those linesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-69200703277534997452008-11-07T03:08:00.000-05:002008-11-07T03:08:00.000-05:00And Alan, your hate for religion is all well and g...And Alan, your hate for religion is all well and good, but it doesn't have much to do with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Orthodox Jews actually oppose Israel, which is really a Zionist, not a Jewish, state.Tariq al Haydarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885586213698005388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-28425699278366532742008-11-06T16:11:00.000-05:002008-11-06T16:11:00.000-05:00betcats:It's not that simple.betcats:<BR/><BR/>It's not that simple.Tariq al Haydarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885586213698005388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-15328708729375194892008-11-06T13:03:00.000-05:002008-11-06T13:03:00.000-05:00The Israeli-Palestine issue,that's a BIG one.I can...The Israeli-Palestine issue,that's a BIG one.<BR/>I can't,in good conscience,'support' either side.Neither side come out well,both did and do dispicable things.And people wonder why I hate religion.<BR/>I'm speaking generally here as I'm not an expert on the conflict itself-or anything near it but,although a resolution seems very unlikely,it's not impossible.It has happened in the past.Take my country for example.ARhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02494635972366860614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-85269270637082143002008-11-06T11:40:00.000-05:002008-11-06T11:40:00.000-05:00cool tariq, but isnt sucide bombers, armed gunmen,...cool tariq, but isnt sucide bombers, armed gunmen, mortar attacks, rocket attacks, and car bombs by arabs against Israel also contray to making peaceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-30157388010400808592008-11-06T07:42:00.000-05:002008-11-06T07:42:00.000-05:00betcats,I don't think anyone is brainwashed. I jus...betcats,<BR/><BR/>I don't think anyone is brainwashed. I just think that what you said applies to a lot of Americans: that you "could care less" what happens there.<BR/><BR/>I'm not shocked that Cheryl, for example, appears to have a firm grasp on the Israel/Palestine issue. But too often my American friends have no idea what I'm talking about when I talk about this problem. Supporting Israel unconditionally is not in America's best interests. It is politically advantageous for a politician to support Israel is all.<BR/><BR/>And betcats, to answer your question: No, no one in Israel "told me" that "We want to conquer you". That's not how it works. But if you analyze the behavior of the Israeli government over the years in an unbiased fashion, this is the only conclusion you can come to. The evidence is there: Isn't building settlements in Gaza and the West Bank, for example, expansionist behavior?<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying that the average Israeli citizen doesn't want peace. There are in Israel, just as in every other country, hawks and doves. But the Israeli government itself is a malevolent entity. I believe that any state is by definition malevolent, but this holds true even more in Israel's case.<BR/><BR/>Listen, don't take my word for it, because I may be wrong. If you really want to know what's going on, go and read something. Try "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy" by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt. Or you can try anything by Noam Chomsky. I also liked reading the memoirs of a former Mossad agent called "By Way of Deception". And there's a bunch of sh*t I haven't got the chance to read on the topic.Tariq al Haydarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885586213698005388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-55680896518107707432008-11-06T03:21:00.000-05:002008-11-06T03:21:00.000-05:00Great comments everyone.TAD- My sympathies. Come t...Great comments everyone.<BR/>TAD- My sympathies. Come to Australia! (cos we have nice beaches lol).Hurstyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13798285581980033351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-16498967852621832182008-11-06T03:18:00.000-05:002008-11-06T03:18:00.000-05:00I reckon that IF Israel was to get into a war with...I reckon that IF Israel was to get into a war with the USA (not that it would ever happen) that the Israeli's would be a damn tough out.<BR/>The Swiss would be strong too, as well as the Gurkas and Australians (seriously, we have the best special forces in the world behind Switzerland).Hurstyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13798285581980033351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-47870268616191414942008-11-05T21:01:00.000-05:002008-11-05T21:01:00.000-05:00Damm part of my quote went away "As for America an...Damm part of my quote went away <BR/><BR/>"As for America and its relationship with Israel, I know that Israel DOES NOT WANT PEACE. It wants to expand."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7363077490625848984.post-30904994301272176982008-11-05T20:59:00.000-05:002008-11-05T20:59:00.000-05:00"I It wants to expand. I'm %100 sure that if the I..."I It wants to expand. I'm %100 sure that if the Israeli government said: Listen, we're tired of war, but we want a Jewish homeland, so here's the deal: We get the part of Jerusalem that has the Wailing Wall, you get the part with the Temple Mount. We go back to the pre-1967 borders, and that's that, that EVERYONE in the Islamic world would rejoice. But that will NEVER happen, because Israel is a malevolent, expansionist entity." <BR/><BR/>That is a pretty bold statement Tariq. i am just doing my research and i find that statement disputeable. How do you know Israel does not want peace? Did anyone in Israel tell you "We wanna conquer you not live with you"? Because i dont remember anyon saying that. You are from Saudi Arabia so you think we Americans are 'brainwashed' to support Israel, yet we think you guys are 'brainwashed' to support the destruction of it. I think you are generalizing too much about the Israelis and as somebody who could care less what happens their, i think you need to broaden your presepective before you make such statements like "I know that Israel DOES NOT WANT PEACE." Tariq, you and my 9th grade social studies teacher, and Barack Obama are the reasons that got me somewhat intrested in politics, and you still my dude, but i disagree with you on this one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com